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Hi all,
I have read a ton on this site about 9 months ago and then I decided that I really wanted a Multi-gen and I wasn't ready to spend that much money. However, this morning I got a call from a neighbor telling me there was an ad in the local paper for a litter locally. We just came back from looking at them.

The Mother is a black poodle weighing about 35 lbs and the Father is an F1 black/silver about 65 pounds. The father does shed and the coat is different than almost any picture I have seen. It was neither wavy or curly - it was really long with a slight curl. Neither my wife or I found it attractive.

The litter is 11 pups (black and creme/apricot) with a few that were considerably more curly than the rest. We really like the look of a multi-gen and it is important to my wife that it does not shed. They were priced from $500 - $750. I have read all of the excellent advice here about selecting a breeder and all of the questions to ask. So, I have to decide if I take a risk with an F1b at $750 or pay $3000 for an Australian Multi-gen. I can't spend $3,000.

The questions I have and hope the experts here can help with are:

1) With 11 pups, the mother is already slowing down on her feedings and time she feeds. The owner is already supplementing with formula and giving them food. Is that too early at 3 weeks?

2) The owner was willing to let them go as early as 4 weeks or keep them as long as 8 weeks if we wanted. I have read that 6-8 weeks is the earliest and 8 weeks is preferable. As long as there are a few pups with the one we choose up until 6-8 weeks is that okay?

3) How should they verify with me that the Father doesn't have any hip or associated problems?

4) I have read that an F1b and curly hair doesn't always mean that it won't shed. But is there a higher confidence level and shedding is a rare exception?

5) Since we don't like the looks of the father, do we have a pretty good chance that the curlier pups will look more like a multi-gen and not the father?

6) No offense to poodle owners, but I don't want the LD to look like a poodle. Is a curly F1b more likely to look like a multi-gen and not like a poodle?

7) This is probably a myth, but I had been told by a vet before that a male's urine is less acidic and thus less likely to kill the grass. I also thought a male lifting his leg to urinate on the bushes or tree is better than on the grass. But, I read in some of these posts that a neutered male may no longer lift his leg. Any comments here? :?:

Any help is greatly appreciated. For $750, if I do buy one of these pups, I want to lock up tonight the only curly creme male. Thanks for your help.
 

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Thank you very much for the quick reply.

Yes, I was surprised by the price of $750 and thus my desire to move fast if this is a good dog. They know this is a low price and they don't look like a puppy mill.

I don't know that the sellers would call themselves "breeders" yet since this is their first litter. They had consulted multiple vets and other breeders on different issues, but obviously not on the age to let puppies go - they seemed to take my suggestion seriously that they shouldn't do it before 6 wks. They supposedly had turned one family away earlier that day and said that if we ever decided we didn't want or couldn't take care of the puppy they would take him back. Yes, they will give us a health guarantee.

I realize there is no guarantee that an F1b will not shed, but is there a guarantee that any Labradoodle will not shed? Is it rare for an F1b to shed? Does anyone know what the statistics are like for F1bs?

We really like the looks of the "wool coat" dogs on the Tegan Park website which is a long loose curl. Do you have any comments about any of my coat/looks questions?

Does anyone have any comments on my male/dog urine questions?

Thank you again for your time and quick reply.
 

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Hi all,
Thank you for the replies and the sincere interest. On Sunday, we called the owners and said we would take the curly haired creme male. They said they had called their vet and agreed they needed to keep the puppies until 6-8 weeks for socialization. They are obviously learning, but they do seem to sincerely care that they do the right thing. As i said, this is their first litter.

My biggest concern still is whether we will get the look we want with an F1b. Rutland Farms claims with their multi-gens that they can predict with 98% accuracy now the looks of the dog. However, I can't afford to pay $3,000. And if I pay $1,500 for an F1b from a more experienced breeder, I have to ask if I will get any better predictability?

I tried to insert some photos of the looks I want to avoid and the look I like, but I couldn't copy and paste here and clicking on the image button didn't work. Sorry.
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Thanks Jac.

I know we will love the dog and that is why I was I was so preoccupied with the looks because if it wasn't the look we wanted, we obviously wouldn't let the dog go because we would love it anyway. So, I hoped we would make the right choice before we fell in love with a dog.

I already have told them about this site and they were very interested for me to send them the link.

Thanks again,
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Hi all,
So, if I wanted to find a multi-gen that looks like the "Australian Labradoodles" on Rutlands and Tegan Parks' sites - how much would I pay in the US?

My basic data I had a year ago was:
- $1,200 - $1,500 for an F1b and a little less for an F1
- $2500 - $3,000 for a multi-gen/Australian Labradoodle (Rutlands was only $1,500, but it cost over $3,000 by the time you get it here).

This F1b at $750 is in my price range of under $1,000.

Thanks,
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Thanks again to all.

They have had the testing done on their F1 labradoodle father.

I did do a lot of looking on websites to see what different F1bs looked like, but I never saw a picture of the pup and then one at maturity. Maureen's idea is a great one. The F1b pictures I saw ran the gamut of coats (looks and shedding), so I realize it is still a gamble with an F1b. The pups had all different coats and we selected one with the curliest coat.

I also would prefer to buy a multi-gen from a US breeder. If my prices were accurate, how much is a multi-gen (called Aussie or not) from a US breeder that avoids the $1000 flight cost?
 
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