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Caesar Milan stresses the practice of dog psychology and that your family is a pack to your dog and you are the leader not the dog. It all makes sense that when your dog doesn't listen to you that you're no longer seen as the leader that's why he's walking all over you. Having a balanced dog that respects you makes sense as well.

I like watching the show but I have gotten the impression from some people that the Dog Whisperer way is crazy. Most people on the show seem to not know much about dog training....and that there's is not trained or ever was trained...or they have a rescue dog that has issues from his past. Most have just plain given up on the dog and see Caesar as their last hope.

But I think he helps a lot of people and has some interesting points to his training. What does everyone else think?
 

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I like him and his ways. He has helped me in being better able to deal with some problems. Much of what is talked about a tired doodle is a good doodle is his thinking too. He talks about the walk being the most important thing. The walk sets you as leader and tires the dog and if you walk with both dogs it teaches them to be a team. Unfortunatly I can't walk the dogs. We still need our dogs to walk nicely, because it is so rare they get way too excited. Well that is my feelings on the subject for what it is worth. :D
 

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I like him (Caesar) but I can't help thinking, feeling and treating my doodle as more than just a dog -- Caesar frowns on treating your dogs like people, but my guy is more than a dog -- he is a giver of love and so smart and intuitive -- so I do tend to treat him more like a person, but he is well behaved (for the most part), so I figure that babying him works okay for us :)
 

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I know! I used to treat my cocker spaniel like a person :lol: :lol: My fiance and I are trying really hard to lay the ground work on Oshie. We're in the play nipping phase...and we can't be mushy with him ya know. He has gotten noticebly better with biting us and will respond to the LEAVE IT command about 7 times ouf 10.
I think the majority of the dogs on the show have real issues b/c they were given the run of whatever they wanted. We might coddle our dogs but we know when to say no and when to be all cute and cuddly....and treat them like people :wink: :wink: :wink:
I for one really like Caesars show and watch it waaaaay too much. I was just surprised by talk I've heard about people not liking him or what he does.
 

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I used to watch him a great deal, and I do like his basics. However, most of his program is for EXTREME behavior dogs. I didn't feel that many of his "tricks" or "solutions" were helpful for me, because they were too severe for my sensative pup. So, I do follow his "rules" and notice behavior in other dogs that should be corrected in his way- but Napa's too mild a dog for that.
 

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I don't think much of his tactics, but that's just me..I guess it's whatever works for you. I don't like collar snapping, jabbing a dog in the neck, (which he does frequently) and I don't believe is very applicable to dogs. It has been my experience that yes, you can train a dog with coercive methods, but you are not extinguishing bad behavior, you are supressing it. I would never trust a dog that aggresses if it were trained with coercive techniques, to me it's just a disaster waiting to happen, I think you get far better results with positive, reward based training through which you can desensitize the dog to the things that cause it's problems.
 

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I like his shows. I find that he makes sense on most things.
 

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I think Cesar has a gift with dogs and he does a great job with them. I used to watch his show all the time when we first got Manchego and I still watch it occasionally. However Patricia McConnell said that she doesn't believe that all dog problems can be caused by dominance and I agree with this 100%. Cesar would not agree, he claims that every problem you have with your dog is because it believes that it is dominant.

I do think that his presence on tv is great because it gets more people out exercising their dogs and not just letting them out to go to the bathroom. I think dogs thrive with structure and I think him getting more people to follow his program for this reason is great. I also like watching the show to learn more about dog body language, he tends to point things out that I find useful.

My 2cents! :)
 

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Like with many things, while i like watching the Dog Whisperer, i also say take what you like and toss what you dont.

for me some of his stuff is just canine COMMON sense.......i've tried some methods in past with success
and/or was being taught same things in OB class with Max and Beau in past.

ie: 30min lie downs ......they do work wonders!!! and every so often my doodles who are older now do get a refresher course
which maintains my Alpha position.

NOW do i spoil my doodles with love? of course
are they my babies? OH YEAH
BUT in reality are they animals aka dogs? YES domesticated but with certain instincts thus while they remind me of kids
and in some ways i train them like you would a little kid I don't lose sight they need me for DIRECTION and they're canines not humans
even THOUGH some days i swear they're half human and can think like us hahhaaaaaaaaaaa
 

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We use to watch the Dog Whisperer a lot until we met our trainer who moved to southern CA who is now in competition with Cesar.
This guy is FABULOUS. Vladae Roytapel! The Russian DOg Wizard.
Vladae and Cesar know each other and Cesar even admits that Vladae is more trained in BEHAVIORAL studies.

Here is Vladae's website. He had Bogart trained in ONE DAY! :shock:

www.911dogwizard.com

He has some training video examples at this site. Seeing him on David Letterman is a HOOT! But, he sure didn't get a chance to show all that he's capable of on that show.
 

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Dog whisperer, a big YES
keep in mind he is rehabilitating dogs that owners have ruined,
in most cases with us , its a great way to get in the mind set of how a dog thinks, and what NOT to do,or if a behavious is starting then how to get on the right track,
Know what i mean?
 

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kirama said:
One of my friends is a dog trainer, we had a discussion about Cesar Milan & she directed me to this website http://www.4pawsu.com/cesarfans.htm
Thats ridiculous~~
its biased and jealousy of his methods that work

some dogs have been ruined, in some cases it takes taking control, in anyway possible
we are talking about dogs here! not children or people,
dogs can injure people, and will and do, due to owners not taking control when puppies, and fail to TRAIN them!!
then Trainers have to correct problems people create!!!
I vicious uncontrollable dog , someone had better take a hold of them by any means ,,or the result could be death for the dog , which would you prefer?
 

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some dogs have been ruined, in some cases it takes taking control, in anyway possible
we are talking about dogs here! not children or people,
dogs can injure people, and will and do, due to owners not taking control when puppies, and fail to TRAIN them!!
then Trainers have to correct problems people create!!!
I vicious uncontrollable dog , someone had better take a hold of them by any means ,,or the result could be death for the dog , which would you prefer?
So true!
I refer you to a part of my trainers' knowledge on this in his website above:

http://www.911dogwizard.com/warning.htm
 

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I just cringe when people have this misconception , it is scary
all dogs are NOT like our doodles, the sad thing, PEOPLE create the problem, I dont want a dog killed because of someones ignorance, i want anything and everything done to get the dog back on track,,,
i cannot say this enough,,Dogs are dogs,, they are NOT people or Children, treat them as such all that does is CREATE problems
In order to get a handle you MUST get down to their LEVEL and rehabilitate them
 

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PS AWESOME awesome Link LindaMarie, god willing people will read it
surprising but true

BE THE PACK LEADER!!! everyone needs to read the book as well
 

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The best part about Cesar is that he saves dogs who might otherwise be put down and we need more people like that in the world!

I myself was bit in the face by my aunt's dog a few years ago. 3 stitches in my brow and punctures in my lip. It was one of the most traumatizing experiences that I've been through. I do not like the dog but now that I KNOW more about dogs I know what I did to provoke the attack (leaning over a hot dog in a car and looking into her eyes). That was probably my fault!

However she is a very unbalance dog and has bitten my husband 3x on the back of the leg (she is a herding breed) as well as others including my aunts oldest son. :( I feel like her owners are way to relaxed with her and don't give her any structure. They just say "oh she was rescued and she must have been abused in the past" instead of dealing with the issue. I don't think she should be put down, but I do wish they would hire a trainer to deal with her issues.

So the point of my rant here is that I think its great that someone like Cesar is there to help save dogs who might be put down. I think its great that he's on tv to educate the public on dog language ( i seriously think this should be taught in school with the number of dogs in society!). And I think putting dogs down because we don't understand them and put them in an uncomfortable place is not fair.
 

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(she is a herding breed)
That has nothing to do with it,,I have bred raised and trained "herding breeds" most of my life,
NON of mine do that just because they are a "herding breed" it all depends on socalization and training,,
sorry i just cringed at that comment
 

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(leaning over a hot dog in a car and looking into her eyes).
OOOOOOOOOPS!! Never look a dog you don't know or trust straight in the eye.
In fact, if you read the article I posted on the previous page, Vladae refers to this.
What a horrible experience for you!

Very true, Nancy. It doesn't have anything to do with the breed. Even a doodle could be aggressive. It matters not.
 
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