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Our labradoodle puppy Murphy had giardia, so our vet advised us to bathe him weekly for 3 weeks. It seems that he's very itchy lately though, constantly biting at himself in almost every area. I'm sure that the weekly bath dried his skin out, but I'm just nervous about allergies. (I had a poodle who had severe food allergies and was constantly biting his skin very similar to the way Murphy currently does). He's currently eating Science Diet for puppies and does not get any people food...any thoughts?

Also, he is currently 11 weeks and weighs approximately 11 pounds- does that seem about right?

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Hmmm . . . I wonder what connection bathing has with giardia? (Dakota had giardia and my vet didn't say anything about bathing him--he just put him on medication.) And only once a week? If your vet was hoping to keep traces of feces off of your pup, wouldn't a daily wash off be necessary? . . . but what do I know?? :wink: Is Murphy a standard? He is smaller than Dakota who wighed 12 1/2 pounds at 8 weeks.

The itching could be food related--you might want to rethink the Science Diet; it rates an "F" on the rating system that KMO20057 provided us. I started with Science Diet but switched to Blue--available at PetsMart. I used the rating scale below to rate Blue and it scored 108. It isn't the cheapest food but I don't think Science Diet is either. When Dakota is a year old and no longer needs a large breed puppy food, I will probably try to switch him over to Costco's Kickland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables. It rates even higher than Blue (110) and at $15/40 pounds, it is about half the cost of blue.
Diane (and Dakota)

Here is a copy of KMO20057's post:

Here is a list of ingredients and definitions you'll find in your dog's food:

How to grade your dog's food:
Start with a grade of 100:

1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points

2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat) reference, subtract 10 points

3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points

4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source, subtract 5 points

5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (i.e. "ground brown rice", "brewer's rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points

6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points

7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points

8 ) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3 points

9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points

10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2 points

11) If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points

12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points

13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points

14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to beef), subtract 1 point

15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Extra Credit:

1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points

2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points

3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points

4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points

5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points

6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points

7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points

8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points

9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points

10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point

11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point

12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources), add 1 point

13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point

14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point

94-100+ = A
86-93 = B
78-85 = C
70-77 = D
<70 = F

Here are some foods that have already been scored. If you don't see your dog's food here, ask and someone will score it for you.
Dog Food scores:

Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+

Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F

Canidae / Score 112 A+

Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+

Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F

Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B

Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A

Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+

Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+

Foundations / Score 106 A+

Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 D

Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D

Innova Dog / Score 114 A+

Innova Evo / Score 114 A+

Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+

Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B

Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B

Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F

ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+

Purina Benful / Score 17 F

Purina Dog / Score 62 F

Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F

Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+

Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+

Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A

Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F

Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F

Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+

Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A

here's a link to an article about "identifying better products": ... erproducts

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WOW! Thanks for that! My pup is currently eating Nutro Max puppym food, but he seems to be loosing interest. I heard the Van Patton food was god, but I didn't know how much of that was propaganda.....I'll switch him on the next bag, for sure.

My pup weighed 15 lbs at 9 weeks, than at his 12 weeks appointment he was up to 20! You can check out his picture under the topic, "Pic of Calvin"....Leslie

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What does bathing have to do with Giardia?

i am a retired vet tech and i have never heard of such a thing, Bathing NO more then every 2weeks or only when needed,,otherwise you are creating skin issues that could last a lifetime

keeping your pup on vitamins Nuvet in my opinion is the very best!!! ... orid=48137
since i have had all of my dogs on it I have NO sking issues and they are generally healthier,,,helps also in growth of pups,read about it .,,,these vitamins are just [email protected]!!!
hope this helps Nancy Doodlesville
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