BRAVO, Jac!! :mrgreen:Bottom line: if you have a problem with your dog...take a goooood look at your interactions with him/her...every waking moment. You will likely find the answer.
Well, that's what I thought afer doing tons of research...but I've now got myself into the situation where very often Charlie doesn't respond to the command until he's checked out if I've got a treat for him when he does it...so now I feel as if the rewards have become lures. Sometimes he decides there are no treats so just refuses to do anything....or he smells it on my hand from being rewarded for the last command and plays silly devils trying to find the treat :roll: :roll: I'm sure we'll get thro this phase, just as we have staggered thro all the others, but if anyone has any suggestions they will be gratefully received :lol: :lol:kirama said:Just keep giving the dog treats everytime it does something good, even if it doesn't know it's being good at the time- that doesn't matter! If they wee-wee outside give them a treat, if they sit quietly (even if you didn't tell them to) give them a treat, if they look at your food but don't make a move to take it, give them a treat. If you greet them and they don't jump all over you - give them a treat. I don't know exactly 'why' it works, but it does. Eventually they will just keep repeating the behavior that yields a treat. Just make sure your timing is good. If they sit and you want to reward them for it, but you wait until the puppy is jumping all over you, it will think that jumping all over you is a good thing and they will do it every chance they get in order to get another treat lol
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Oh, sure, bump this one up! LOL...see? Isn't it good that I confessed to once using prong collars??? LOL
yes, the treat can be something other than food, in fact some dogs are not very 'food motivated', so a favorite squeaky toy, or a pet or whatever works becomes the treat. and as with all operant conditioning, the idea is that every time the dog does what you want, it gets a verbal signal or a click, then the 'reward' as time goes by you decrease the number of times the dog gets the reward, so that eventually the dog is throughly conditioned to continue the behavior without waiting for a treat. My dogs seem to like food treats better than anything else, so you will rarely find me without my pockets filled with charlie bears and buffalo or beef (dog) jerky broken up into 1/2 inch pieces.Jac said:About the treats....actually the word "treat" can mean any reward...food, love, chest scratch, ear rub, "good boy/girl!", favorite toy...etc...anything your dog enjoys because the reward for good behavior is a pleasant thing, sort of like we enjoy hearing "thank you" when we do something nice for someone...for instance, if I hold the door for a shopper, I don't really do it for a reward but when someone smiles and thanks me I feel good about it...but when they just walk through like I am not there, I feel slighted somehow...
So, you can vary the reward, it doesn't need to be a treat. In fact, that is the beauty of clicker training...the click becomes the reward (after they are conditioned to feel good when it sounds)...you might want to mix it up a bit for Charlie, don't let him know what is coming next.
My dogs LOVE it when we are getting ready to leave them alone...why? Because we lock them out in the yard BUT ONLY TO HIDE TREATS around the house! We hide them really well too...some we put out where it is easy but most are well hidden (in safe places in case they dig for it)...we let the dogs back in and they rush around looking for treats...this is only when we leave them alone so they start to really look forward to it!
Amen Todd, although there have been times with my grandkids I've really contemplated using a crate, the terrible twos can be a killer, especially if the kid knows how to climb out of the crib!!!!KingstonTodd said:You cant crate a kid. Makes them infinately more work!
did you try crating him? They might have one big enough (just kidding)KingstonTodd said:I have a new outlook on this, just having a baby (now 8 months old). You cant crate a kid. Makes them infinately more work!
Thanks I am going to read this book.I will also look into finding a trainer with that certification in our area.I also want to look for a vet.I want to research everything before we go ahead.Not only with a breeder but with every aspect.I want us to all be as prepared as we can be so there will be not surprises.I am glad my DD is 9.I think she is a good age and this will help teach her responsibility.We all will need to work together in raising a pup.And the more we know the better we all will be.This is such a great board.And you all are so helpful.kirama said:did you try crating him? They might have one big enough (just kidding)KingstonTodd said:I have a new outlook on this, just having a baby (now 8 months old). You cant crate a kid. Makes them infinately more work!
As far as temperment, ask Todd- I have one of his pups and he is just a delight. He's very calm but intensely curious. I don't know about the temperment of the sire and dam, or how much they contributed to Beck's personality- I am more inclined to think it was just excellent puppy rearing on the part of Todd and his wife. Beck is full of mischief but he learns so quickly that he seldom presents a problem in the house. For example, I don't allow our dogs in the kitchen, and within a week Beck knew it was off-limits- and all that took was walking him out of there saying 'out' a few times, when he approaches the kitchen he now looks at me, sits at the doorway and waits for a treat for not going inside.
For training- I think you start the day you get the pup, the sooner you do so, you have established a relationship with the dog that helps it understand that you are 'the boss' (that is quite different than the whole alpha dog theory which I do not believe in) Here are some free books to get you started: http://www.dogstardaily.com/files/BEFORE You Get Your Puppy.pdf http://www.dogstardaily.com/files/AFTER You Get Your Puppy.pdf And here's an excellent list of dog books/DVDs http://www.dogwise.com/AuthPub/index.cfm
If you are going to put your pup into formal training try to find an APDT or CCPDT certified trainer. If you opt to go to one of the 'big box' pet stores for training (petsmart, or petco) make sure you observe a class first. I was in petsmart last weekend and stopped to watch a class and was appalled at what I saw. The 'trainer' was trying to get a dog to sit and was saying 'sit sit sit sit sit sit sit' over and over- the problem with that is that if you do that with a dog, it will think that 'sit' doesn't mean anything but that sit-sit-sit-sit-sit-sit is when you put your but on the ground. The same trainer was telling the class never to change the tone of their voice with the dog, always use a calm quiet voice. Quite the opposite of what most trainers advise: to use a serious voice when scolding the dog, and a very animated higher pitched voice when calling or praising your dog.