[Doodlesville]

WOW Thank you AnneMarie, so very well put!!!

To LuBer:>>>
Breeders that do NOT have a strict visitors policy arent really caring for their pups or insuring the safety of the pups health or dogs and families well being,

Germs can be brought in by people going from kennel to kennel or shelters ect, that can potentially be brought into any breeders facility,
If a breeder allows visits they are not taking full responisiblity to their pups, dogs or the clients that have intrusted them to get a healthy puppy,

until you have seen a pup die of parvo you wouldnt have any idea of what the heartbreak and misery the pups go thru

IMHO A breeder that has a strict visitors policy is taking responsibility for the pups in their care, (just one of your many points i dont agree with)

As far as agression,,my suggestion to you is to read BE the pack leader by Csear Millian
there are NO bad dog just bad owners

When labradoodles were first thought of it was to produce a low to no shed allergy friendly dog, No where did they ever dream that terriers and spaniels would be infused in the lines nor did they ever dream that the Australian Labradooodles would breed poodle back into them to become little more then a slightly deluted poodle,,

I know i know ,,dead horse, but what the heck,, enough

 

[LuBer]

I understand,the breeders that have policies on why they would not have visitors because of the germs,ect....However, a good breeder should still with precautions ,allow possible purchasers to meet the parents of the pup,for the purpose of temperment.Some breeders,allow people to visit,with mask, and no family pets allowed on site,some are less strict,yet they allow the option to visit the parents.
My reply isnt so much on how much it cost for labradoodles,those vary,we paid $1500.00,which isn't the lowest,and is not the highest price I've seen.
I'm not a BREEDER,I'm a consumer,that has seen people who didnt research enough,sadly trusted a breeder and in the end not only the pup sick,they loose out the investment.So I speak from experience and what I learned to do differently ,the next time.

It's good to have many different points of view,in a friendly environment,from different perspectives .We all learn .

 

[Jac]

Ann Marie, good point...good moderating! (Getting us back on topic! :wink: )

 

[MaxandMe]

Thanks Jac and Nancy

for me i am very passionate about both :being a doodle owner and the breeding part as well.
Also i love genetics and am now writing a basic genetic book with breeding schemes for breeders
BUT
in reality researching talking and even paying top notch dollar....the personality of the dog with it's health from parents needs to be TOP Priority

Cause a breeder can have the most awesome nonshedding great healthy doodle for you........but if you aren't totally honest in how you like to live life then trying to pair up a doodle may not be optimal.

also NOTE: most doodles do go thru stages at 4, 6, 8 and 10mos that can drive you up a wall at times ..........same as the stages in a way a kid goes thru from ages 1yr old to 6yrs old. ALL DOODLES need either daily in-home training or at least one obedience class. It really can make the difference in a dog respecting you and showing more love than the doodle who's owners end up frustrated at not knowing what to do and spending $$$ and feeling they didn't make a wise choice or the breeder wasn't giving them the dog they wanted.
IF you're a couch potato on weekends and want the super laid back puppy , say it. If you are adventuresome , hiking, camping etc , say it
but please no dog raises itself as no kid does either. Training helps bonding, showing how the leader is, gives your doodle a task to do as they're very intelligent dogs....and is the right caring parental thing to do.

So KEEP in mind price usually is related to reputable breeders trying to select, raise only the best in temperament, health, structure, careful testing, training and more..........so they do have to pass on these costs as they can't breed dogs for FREE
also to give warranties on health can be costly if the unknown were to crop up.
Also remember: breeders who don't allow visits are really keeping their puppies safe from deadly illness like PARVO and more....so they are able to uphold their healthiness and warranty they guarantee.

Abreeder and prospective doodle owner-to-be need to both be honest, upfront and easily able to both ask and answer all questions with a a compatibility that feels good.
as much as YOU want to buy a puppy that is GREAT for you, a breeder is also trying to ensure that their puppy is goign to a GREAT family that reallyis compatible with the puppy chosen.

so price usually is in comparision to reputation of most breeders who if they test will easily offer up results if asked. And most give lifetime support for questions down the line.

if not this forum is one great place to get TONS of help, support, advice and even laughter when you want to scream hahahhaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Jac]

Wow! Ann Marie! You nailed it! Good job! Everything you said is spot on!

 

[Doodlesville]

AMEN!!!! say it again

Gosh AnneMarie I agree with Jac You hit the Nail on the head!!! ty ty ty

 

[Island Doodle]

What I question is why doodles are more expensive than dogs from good reputable breeders of purebred dogs? I just don't get it.

 

[Doodlesville]

they really arent, \
dending on the breeder you have the doodles are right around the same price,

you can get doodles from puppy mills just as easily as you can get purebreds, though you will normally you pay for it later

In fact i know few purebred breeders that test to the extent most reputable doodle breeders do, or give the warranty either

Not to mention a hybrid will be a healthier dog hands down

 

[MaxandMe]

Island Doodle....if you go back a few posts on here
you'll see 1st they were created to be a service/guide dog and it took considerable breeding to obtain the right doodle this was back in 1988

doodles weren't offered til around 1998 to breeders and general public

Now the breeding stock of both doodles and poodles can run quite a bit of money $5000-$18,000

if you read back a few posts in here we discussed this and other reasons such as testing breeding dogs and sometimes even a puppy or two to ensure good health temperament, allergy friendly coat etc.

other breeds were developed years before Doodles.

I do know however that AKC breeds for sale that come from excellent show lines and breeding ...a puppy like a bull mastiff is bare min of $1200 to $1800 for a pet puppy

want to breed one? the prices goes way up

so enter the costs of testing, the price of a puppy that MIGHT be good or getting a proven dam or sire, along with food and vet costs, advertising,
website, supplies, kennels,etc
then the cost of a dog is in comparision to the price
as it is a business and many breeders do NOT make big profits, rather they do it for the love of the breed and to produce the best

 

[Island Doodle]

Island Doodle....if you go back a few posts on here
you'll see 1st they were created to be a service/guide dog and it took considerable breeding to obtain the right doodle this was back in 1988

doodles weren't offered til around 1998 to breeders and general public

Now the breeding stock of both doodles and poodles can run quite a bit of money $5000-$18,000

if you read back a few posts in here we discussed this and other reasons such as testing breeding dogs and sometimes even a puppy or two to ensure good health temperament, allergy friendly coat etc.

other breeds were developed years before Doodles.

I do know however that AKC breeds for sale that come from excellent show lines and breeding ...a puppy like a bull mastiff is bare min of $1200 to $1800 for a pet puppy

want to breed one? the prices goes way up

so enter the costs of testing, the price of a puppy that MIGHT be good or getting a proven dam or sire, along with food and vet costs, advertising,
website, supplies, kennels,etc
then the cost of a dog is in comparision to the price
as it is a business and many breeders do NOT make big profits, rather they do it for the love of the breed and to produce the best

Sorry, I read the entire thread and I still don't get it (I'm not talking about the Austrailian Labradoodle as the breeding has been going on for many years). I was referring to the breeding of Goldendoodles and Labradoodles in North America, the F1, F1b etc. I just don't believe there is a reason why these dogs would be more expensive.

I think the prices will go down though as it seems there are more people breeding these mixes now and the odd time you will see 'price reduced' because the breeder does not have enough purchasers for their pups. I don't think it will be long before there are too many pups available which will result in breeders going out of business. Then how good is their guarantee going to be? Also, really a 2 yr guarantee is not much as I've heard many breeders of purebreds give a livetime warranty against defects.

I love my dog and think she is just the best in the world - but, I can't recommend anyone getting one because of the unpredictability with coat problems owners have stated on the doodle forums. I have the time to groom Molly every day and do not want to have her shaved down. I know of 2 doodles that had to be shaved down and their coats never grew back properly and now they must remain shaved.

 

[Doodlesville]

For one thing, there is much more to breeding dogs then just throwing them together and charging for them
there are expenses, AnneMarie just touched on them,
I think that annemaries post put it in a nutshell,
what dont you understand????

 

[Cinsmom]

It's simple economics. If you put the money into it and do it right, then you can charge a higher price in return for a better product. Ever try a generic item because it's cheaper only to be disappointed because it's not even close to the results you got with the name brand? Like buying the store brand of diet drink mix and it's terrible compared to Crystal Light. Same thing here. You'll get what you paid for. You might get a nice dog from a cheaper breeder, but there are no health guarantees with that. Who knows what problems you would get down the road. Granted, there are good dogs from backyard puppy mills, there are exceptions to every rule.

Bottom line is a good breeder charges more for a better bred dog. Most of the time they'll get the price they want and it will be the backyard puppy mills that have the left over dogs to "get rid of" because their pups aren't that nice and they don't get recommended. They are the ones that will go out of business because they are in it for the money and when the money runs out, they're off to the next big thing. Goes for Doodles and for anything that people feel they can make money from. Sad, but true.

 

[Doggonecrazy]

I know of 2 doodles that had to be shaved down and their coats never grew back properly and now they must remain shaved.

I have a doodle that has been shaved down several times and his coat has come back just like before. From my experience with my own dog, and from knowing others, I would say your experience is the exception and not the rule.

 

[Doodlesville]

I have to agree with the grooming point made above,

in fact Im a groomer, and i have never heard such a thing
and with my experience with my doodles and i have all coat types, if i shave them down the coats come back exactly the same or better in fact

 

[Doodlesville]

GREAT answer Vannessa!!!

Im jest gonna shut up and let ya'all explain from now on,, :shock: :roll: :shock:

 

[Island Doodle]

I just don't believe there is a reason why these dogs would be more expensive.

Plenty of reasons were given....:roll:

Perhaps this is what you meant?

"I just don't believe your reasons add-up to the expense." :roll:

Fair enough, that's why you chose the type of dog you did...others will believe and will justify their expenditure much in the same fashion you have yours---whether YOU believe THEM doesn't really matter, and vice versa. :roll:

Besides, "Believing" and "Expense" are two VERY SUBJECTIVE terms in this case...you can believe anything you want (many believed the earth was flat)....and basically, what is "expensive" to you may be "cheap" to another and vice versa....

in the end,
it is futile to try and argue with those who:
#1: Are in the business, have paid the expenses, and have real life experience to back it up---you have gotten plenty of excellent responses from breeders here
#2: Those who have paid those prices for those doodles--we obviously found reasons to believe in and there isn't much that will change that...

what and who you recommend is up to you.
as with anyone's advice,
those with their own common sense will listen with a grain of salt.
no personal offense to you,
but we all believe and have reasons for things we do/think/opine on.

and one last long winded reply from me:
I have shaved my American F1b's coat several times over the course of her almost 2 years---her hair has grown back beautiful and luscious each time...Doggonecrazy was right-on with the "exception to the rule" in your cases....perhaps these doodles stay shaven b/c the owners don't/can't/choose to not make the time for a longer coat...:roll:

Thanks for your reply. And, I'm very glad to hear that your doodles coats have grown back beautifully (I'm hoping the others were "exeption to the rule").

I understand there are enormous expenses breeding healthy dogs whether they are purebred or not. Just find it hard to believe it costs more to breed doodles.

Thanks for letting me have my 2 cents.

 

[Doodlesville]

Just find it hard to believe it costs more to breed doodles.

MORE? im sorry i just purchased a dog (purebred puppy) for 1200.00
this particular breed i can get them everyday around here for 300.00\

I had a choice, so why did i choose to go with the higher priced pup
well lets see the breeder tests, the breeder guarantees, the breeder has exceptional references, (not to mention i have purchased before from them last year) and the coats and caliber of the dogs exceeds breed standards

That is what i do and what i expect from dogs I buy, and what i expect my clients look for as well,

 

[MaxandMe]

Island doodle , wow i feel bad for those doodles as till now never heard of anything like this.

I do know if your doodle has a HAIR coat (meaning more like a lab) it should NEVER be shaved down.

and remember, there will always be differences of prices, dogs, and opinions. It's how things work in our world.

the Aussie's arent the main reason for prices......as others here stated.

the LIFETIME Warranty...I do know that breeders who do that mean they'll replace a puppy or OFFER LIFETIME SUPPORT meaning advice etc

i'd really love to see a contract and breeder that gives lifetime warranty
as I am curious as to what would be covered.
also what if a breeder stops breeding and say 6 years later a dog develops a defect such a Hip Dyslpasia which could be normal at that age and/or possibly due to incorrect diet and exercise as a puppy?

OK that was just outloud thoughts as NOW i took this off topic

Original TOPIC still is Prices of Labradoodles:

To me the price is a personal preference and we all set our standards differently. ME? i waited over 10years to get a doodle as years ago they cost alot more than $2500.
so yes price has come down compared to 1998.

 

[MaxandMe]

and YES sometimes if a breeder has an OLDER puppy due to various reasons the price can down , such as:

1. puppy was quieter than rest and people don't want that or they want a bouncy energetic puppy
2. the breeder had ALL BLACK doodles and for some reason this time people want Chocolate or Red and not black .....then later on you have all reds and someone wants ONLY a cream ONE
3. Some breeders also sell puppies older as giving time for littermate socialization, weaning, shots etc
AND so many people think at times the younger the puppy the better

island doodle.......there are so many reasons and factors as to why a breeder might discount a puppy
I know of times when a family really wants one and the breeder sees a great family with tons of love and gets heartfelt.......and yes a price can go down.

flip side: I've seen some breeders that CHARGE MORE $$ for an older puppy since they're housebroken, trained with commands, crate trained and well socialized

So why do some people get a landcruiser for $10K less than the asking price while others pay sticker price?
LIke i've always said, parallel to
who came 1st chicken or egg?
hahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Opal]

We purchased a black Golden-doodle in March and he is a wonderful family pet. We tell everyone where we got him and he is such a happy, friendly guy!