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Hi all,

Unfortunately our 6 month labradoodle was diagnosed with Hip Displaysia :( She came from a reputable/accredited breeder and she had her family history with good hip scores.

I have been paranoid about this - we have done everything we can to prevent it - she eats a healthy, non-commercial diet, we have ramps around our house she she does not need to go up or down stairs, we only take her for short walks, and we discourage her from jumping.

But still, it has happened :( It came on very suddendly - one day she started limping, the next day we took her to the vet and she could barely stand up without her back legs shaking :(

Anyway, I have a few questions.

I remember reading somewhere here there was a forum for owners with HD pets? Does anyone know of it? (or am I mistaken?)

We are waiting on our vet to find out a specialists suggestions - this will either be: a) give her medication for the pain/anti-inflamatory or b) an operation to try and correct the position of her hip joints.

Does anyone here have any experience with the above? She has been on the anti-inflamatory medication for a day and she is still very slow - trouble walking, standing up, etc. She looks sad because she wants to play, but can't. So I am thinking that perhaps the operation to correct the position of her hip joints will be her best chance of living a normal life?

We have only had her for three months, and recently took out pet insurance. I am hoping that this will at least cover some of the vet bills.
We also have a guarantee from the breeder (refund or replacement). The thought of a replacement dog just doesnt seem like an option (we are attached to her), but at the same time I am worried that she will suffer a misserable life if she cannot play and have fun and do normal dog things. If this is causing her to suffer, we don't want to to prolong it for her.

Especially being so young - she has got a long way to go to live with this disorder. We live in a house with lots of levels/stairs. As a puppy we have put ramps up, and currently carry her down some stairs. But when she gets bigger we can't continue to do this - so later in her life avoiding stairs won't be possible. We don't want her to suffer - so want to make sure that whatever we do she has the best chance of living a normal/active life. Will this be possible?

Anyway - is there any chance that a HD dog could ever make a recovery? Could a life on anti-inflamatory medication allow her to live a fully active life, or would she always be a bit behind and have trouble playing. Would the operation allow her to be fully active again? Or would dogs with corrective operations still need to take it easy on their hips.

Thanks,
Kim
 

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Kim,
I also don't have any experience with HD, but I feel for you.

I'm sure your vet will recommend what is best for the puppy. And you'll know, kind of instintively what to do. Just follow your heart.

I'm so sorry you have to go through this with your sweet little pupster. Good luck.
 

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There were threads on this forum about HD with peoples dogs or pups just do a search and they should come up. So sorry to hear about your pup I have heard that doing the surgery early you have better results, but I haven't yet had to deal with a dog with it. I do wish you and yours all the best.
 

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I'm so sorry about your problem. It is very sad when this happens, especially when you are so careful about buying a dog that you trust won't have HD. I just wanted to tell you that I used to work for the best orthapaedic veterinarian around this area, and we saw LOTS of dogs with HD. He was able to correct most dogs with surgery, and with good results. However, even the dogs with the best results were never "normal", BUT...they did live very happy long lives and did just fine. Anyway, you would be surprised at what a dog can overcome, just like a person. And if YOU maintain a positive attitude about the whole thing, the dog will do much better! Also, I've seen many a dog come careening around the corners of the clinic on their "wheels" and quite happy about it, too! These were dogs that for various reasons couldn't be fixed and they were too painful or unable to walk, so the owners bought doggy "wheelchairs", wheels that support the back legs, and I'm telling you, those dogs never knew they were supposed to be different! Please understand, I'm no expert about this, but I'm telling you what I've personally seen working at the vet clinic, and I hope I've given you some hope. This really stinks, but ya'll will manage! Stay positive for the dog's sake! :D

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Kim, I am heartbroken for you! What a horrible diagnosis.
Unfortunately, all of the testing in the world, at this time, can't be conclusive that puppies won't have illness.
Where the reputation of the breeder comes in is whether or not that breeder will stand behind you through this.
Most breeders would, at your option, give you a full refund (to apply to the care/treatment of your pup) or give you a replacement dog.
The problem with replacement is that you would want to be sure it is not from the same genetic lines.
BOTH of the parents of your dog should be removed from breeding immediately and as hard as that is, a good breeder will be certain of that.
I understand your concerns for your dog...but I know that after surgery, many dogs have gone on to live fairly normal lives. Some dogs need to have surgery in one hip, usually in both.
Vicky's first puppy, Jett, was diagnosed as a tiny puppy and we all went through this with her...Jett is now a happy, playful, loving dog. So, please give this a lot of thought before you decide. Your emotions are too close to the surfact right now.
Talk this over with your breeder first...see what, if anything, they are willing to do to help out.
Then research...do a lot of research...talk to people who's dogs have gone through this.
We'll be praying for you and your pup...
I'll try to find the link with Vicky's info on it, if I do, I'll post it for you.
 

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My heart hurts for you and your puppy :cry: :cry:
Hopefully with Jac's advice about the other postings here,
concerning others who have been through this you may find comfort.
:lol:
Please know we are all here for you and please let us know how we can help.
 

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How in the world can a vet diagnose HD on a 6mth old pup?
They are still growing, what i recommend is putting you dog on Nuvet vitamins immediately https://www.nuvetlabs.com/order/default ... 0%20%20%20

Did they do xrays? get a 2nd opinion
it just amazes me that vets think they can make this diagnosis so early of course 6mth old pup will show signs they are still growing the xrays will show shadow on them

limit excerscise if he is in pain
1 pure asprin not tylenol and get him on the nuvet or nujoint vitamins asap
 

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Thanks everyone for the replies.

This morning our pup is behaving a bit more 'normal' - she had a bit of a run in the back yard and doesn't appear to be in any pain. But I suppose by just masking the pain she could still be doing damage to the bones.

As for her early diagnosis - xrays were done, and showed classic symptoms (the socket of her hip was open, not closed around the ball joint). I will go to the Vet today and take a picture of the xray.

Will keep you all posted. Thanks for the prayers! :)
 

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i am soooooo sorry to hear about your 6mos old puppy having HD.
i will say some prayers for you and your doodle. Maybe surgery could help? though i have not ever had to deal withthis myself so i don't know.

Please though do contact your breeder as they really need to know this especially for breeding purposes.

keep us updated as to what the possibilities are for you and your doodle

hang in there.
 

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Kim, I wish that I would have thought to give you the advice that Nancy did! She is right on...Okay, I saw the x-ray and I am no doctor but I have seen PennHip films and had them explained to me and I think that I would get a second opinion...and do as Nancy suggested, the NuVet (other breeders also swear by them) vitamins and see what another vet says. In fact, your breeder would probably pay for a second opinion.
I am gald that the pain isnt' so obvious today...but I do know that there are some vets who jump right to the high-end price range instead of looking at other possibilities...I don't know your vet, and as I said I have no clue about the films...but I would really suggest letting your breeder help you to get a second opinion. I think that the warranty would cover that.
Limiting activitivy is good too...no stairs, no (too) long walks, no jogging, and no rough-housing...and no frisbee or jumping-type activities.
 

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Thanks again for the info.

We are waiting on an orthopedic surgeon to look at her x-rays to give his advice. At the moment the vet is thinking that we will just treat with an injection (anti inflammatory and some sort of cartlidge/marrow repair drug) and see how she goes.

We have a vitamin suppliment that we add to her food - similar to NuVet.
We already restrict her activity (jumping/long walks/steps) - have from day one actually - as we wanted to ensure this sort of thing would never happen. Dispite our best efforts it has though :(

The breeder has sited the xray also and agrees with our vet that it is classic HD. They will no longer breed with those parents (who both had good hip scores one being 3 and the other being 11, where the national average is 12.85).

The breeder has proposed that they can provide us with another puppy from any litter we chose. They can take our unwell puppy back and give her treatment. Although giving up our puppy would break our hearts, I think maybe long term it would be better for her? The breeder can care for her 24/7 - they are always with their dogs, but my partner and I work full time so it would be harder to be here for her for the difficult weeks/months when she is in post-op recovery. The breeder also lives on a large flat property, but we live on a multi-terraced property with various levels (steps), and stairs going up to our house. Currently we have ramps areas blocked off - but we can't keep her isolated to that small area for the rest of her life. I think a full time carer and a large flat property might be more suited for her? It would be traumatic (emotionally) to leave her, but I'm trying to set aside my emotions and thinking what would be best for her. It makes me sad to think about that though :(

Anyway, first things first - I need to see what the orthopedic surgeon thinks first... once we have all the info we will have a very difficult decission to make :(
 
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Ohh, I am soo sorry. I have some info I can post for you, but I have to run out right now.
I will say that your puppy can have great quality of life. You have lot's of options.
I will post later.
 
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Here is the yahoo HD group:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CanineHD/
When a puppy is diagnosed early like yours, she may be a candidate for a Triple Pelvic Osteotomy or TPO. This surgery rotates the pelvis to capture the hip ball into the proper position. It has to be done before any arthritic changes occur. You are most likely within that window of opportunity.
90% get better when TPO is done. The surgery does have to be done individually on each hip, which means 2 surgeries and 2 recovery periods.
6 months is usually the MINIMUM age for surgery, but often by 8 months arthritic changes have occurred and the puppy may no longer be a candidate. If arthritis has not occured, the surgery can be done up until 12 months of age.
If she is not a candidate for TPO or you opt not to do it, please know that she will more than likely be fine soon. Her hip joint is unstable right now because she is growing. It will stabilize in a few weeks and her pain will go away. The degeneration of the joint will continue, but this will not be painful until about 7 or 8 years of age. Then she will be a candidate for total hip replacement or if she is kept lean, she could be a cadidate for femoral head osteotomy (FHO). The FHO works best on dogs around or under 50 pounds.
Some people have sworn that vitamic C (Ester C) has cured hip dysplasia in their young dog. Just be aware if you supplement with this, you need to keep her on it because the body will not make vitamin c once you start supplementing (that's what I read anyway).
http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0039.htm
My orthopedic vet had never heard of it, but said I could try it if I wanted to.
My Bella was diagnosed at 7 months but was not a candidate for the TPO because the 'cup' was to shallow to capture the hip ball. She would cry after walks, she limped a little and she never liked stairs as a puppy. At 1 year she is fine, loves long walks, goes up and down the stairs without a problem and has even jumped into the car on her own, something she would not do as a puppy. I know she will inevitably need surgery and the Ortho vet said the FHO would be best for her when the time comes around. My vet had wonderful advice, enjoy her and we will cross that bridge when and if we get to it. Bella's hip x-rays looked much worse than your puppy's x-rays.
Bella Xray:

I wanted to let you know that there is definitely hope if you decide to keep her.
keep us posted.
 
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Thanks Nancy! I had Bella on a supplement from the Ortho Vet, but stopped it when she had a terrible episode of bloody diarrhea. She was on anti-inflammatory medicine at the same time, so if something caused it, it was probably the anti-inflammatory med. Anyway, I think I will restart a supplement again and the Nu Vet Joint looks great.
 

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After much research

and a similar experience i tend to think it is caused by the ester c..too much and not enough research on the dangers of too much!!!

i love the nuvet vitamins,,i had one lady that had a older lab that had severe HD and put him on it b4 she came to pickup her pup,(about 3weeks) and she reported that the dog was runnin round acting like a pup ,,i was sold after that report, this stuff works,,i know it has saved me thousands in vet bills during the last 4yrs i have been using it, and the people are so very helpful at nuvet i cant begin to tell you,,not to mention it has a money back guranteee!!!! it just cant be beat
 
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