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Well, after just showing off my babies the last few days now I need some help. The back of our house is almost all glass doors and windows overlooking a terrace that is at the same level as the house. Geoge has started to THROW himself against the doors when he sees us inside the house. He doesn't necesarily want to come in, he's just really glad to see us. I'm terrified he's going to break the glass and hurt himself badly. Gracie is starting to try it too. You'd think it would be unpleasant enough that they'd stop, and of course we tell them "No!" through the glass and make sure we never let them in until they sit. We've even been spraying them with bitter apple when they do it, but we have to open the door to do that which sends the wrong message, I think, and they just run from the bitter apple bottle and run right back like it's a game! But I'm worried this is more than just a nuisance (and a lot of really dirty windows) - He weighs nearly 50 pounds and he runs hard and jumps at the glass.

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Hi Lisa, I have no ideas but I know what you are talking about. It is terrifying.
The only thing I can suggest is to keep your dogs in a crate if you won't be with them until they settle down. That is not an easy thing to do, but if it keeps them safe, it is worth the effort.
Good luck and if you find another solution, please let me know.
(You might also train them to stay away from that area...it will take some doing, especially when you are not in the room...but it can be done.)
 

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You know, I just happened to think about a "pad" that I have seen that gives a slight electrical shock when the dog is on it...maybe putting one of those on the floor near the window would help. I don't like the idea of shocking them...but if it is shocking them or having them go through the window...I would vote for the shock!
 

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Thanks for the input, Jac. I feel a little stuck on this one. I hate the idea of shocking them, too. But we have had amazing success with our underground fence. I wouldn't let the doodles wear the collars until I had shocked myself with it a few times. And they were over 35 lbs. It's uncomfortable, for sure, but better than them getting out. We have 20 acres and a pond that makes fencing near the house a real problem and in our rural area dogs that run free can be shot. (Sheep)

The pad thing won't work because it would need to cover the entire back of the house. But it makes me think of one of those remote controls that will deliver the same sort of buzz they get from the fence. It's amazing how they only got shocked a couple of times before they knew exactly where to avoid. Maybe I'll look into that. I'm sure it wouldn't take more than once or twice to get the idea across.

I was hoping someone would say, Oh, no, don't worry. They won't break the door. But I know I'm dreaming. When they're excited I believe they really could and I can't even imagine the disaster that would be for us all.

I'm also hoping this is just one of those things that they outgrow really fast. It can't be comfortable to hit the door so hard. !?
 

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I think that the collar is a good idea in this instance. I have actually heard of dogs crashing through windows and going after people...so I know it can happen. It is just too scary to contemplate.
What about putting a huge sheet of plexiglass in front of the window...one larger than the window so that it doesn't connect to the glass when they run into it?
That wouldn't really fix the problem though...I think you are right to do what you need to in order to train him not to do that. It is just too scary!
Maybe hiring a trainer to come to your home and help out...
But I think the colar will work. I have never tried one, but I have been very tempted. It comes down to the shock verses the consequence to the behavior and you have to decide which is most acceptable. Tough, tough choice.
Good luck!
 

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If the invisible fence shock works for you, the shock collar will work very quickly. I'll bet twice per pup will be more than enough. It won't hurt them - only stun for a second- the crash through the glass might kill them. Good luck!!!
 

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I suggest getting sticky window ornaments....the ones people put up at halloween and christmas that stick on with static.
You could get a bunch so that it looks like a solid surface and harder to see through.
They will realise that it isn't open space and it may stop them.
Or even tape some cardboard up on it for a while until the habit is broken.
It may look ugly for a while, but I think it's worth it.
 

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Along the lines of Tina's suggestion, how about those stickers they use for birds? The kind that look like shadows of other birds so that the birds can tell that the glass is glass and not an open window and don't kill themselves flying into it?

Or how about just covering the bottom 2-3 feet of window with paper for a while so they can't see through? Maybe if they're puppies this will be enough to deter them for a while and get the thought out of their heads? Or just as a temp solution til you get the collars?
 

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These are good ideas. We tried taping cardboard to the bottom half of the main door where this occurs. It is helping a little, but they just seem really unpredictable at this age (6 months).

Taking stock, I would say that they have slowly begun behaving as if the entire outside terrace belongs to them. They have eaten a wicker chair, an extension cord, a garden hose, more that a little kindling, an entire rose bush and a window sill (outside). I don't really mean they've eaten them, but shredded is more like it. They are getting lots of chewing opportunities with stuff that's okay to chew, and they are never unsupervised in the house, but the terrace and yard have become their own territory. We have an underground fence which I think we're going to reconfigure so the doodles have less access to the windows and terrace. I'm hoping this is just a phase, because today I got really mad and yelled at them. I also think we're going to start taking some long walks together, but phew, I'm irritated with them right now.
 

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Hello in London! How old is Bella? How much does she weigh? I have put a lot of thought to this because I really believe my guys could come through the glass.

I tried cardboard over the bottom half of the glass and that seemed to slow it down a little, but I ended up redoing our fence so that the doodles only have access in one area. It still has glass doors there, so I'm still working with them constantly. I have started to require that they are calm and still before they are allowed into the house. They're getting the idea that jumping won't have any benefit. But I also feel that this is still a bit of a time bomb. This is not one of those things you want them the learn the "hard way," because the consequences are too extreme. So I have also bought a remote training collar. But I haven't tried it yet. I keep hoping I won't have to.

The only other alternative I can see, is never to allow them outside without me, just as they are never unattended inside (unless they're in the crate).
 

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Hello in London! How old is Bella? How much does she weigh? I have put a lot of thought to this because I really believe my guys could come through the glass.
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Helloooooooooooo :lol:

Bella is about 8 months now and weighs 16.5 kilos - roughly 33lbs. small dog.

She's had a huge amount of illness and appears to have stopped growing already. there's a thread about her with a pic on here:
http://labradoodle-dogs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=951

I understand your concern fully, Bella daily charges up to the living room window, She loves sitting on the back of the chair in front of it but she bounces up there so hard that it frightens us and the glass is old.

The way house is built, there's no other way to set the room out so we try and keep her off but she's a strong willed little sod :roll:

When her friend Madge stayed over Christmas she was just as bad and she's twice the size of Bella.

I'm thinking about fitting blinds to the window, keep them at a tilt so she has no vision out, therefore nothing to make her want to lie up there *hopefully*

We can't block the window up for obvious reasons, not the type you can double glaze either without replacing the whole thing, being sash windows it would cost a packet which we don't have, hence trying the blinds idea.

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Bella's a totally cutie. Madge, too. My doods are both chocolate, so I'm partial. I got caught up on Bella's woes. You are obviously doing everything possible and more with her health care. This window thing is troubling, though.

I have had a bit of luck with a doormat that was by happenstance near one of the doors. It's kind of a nasty plastic mat a lot like artificial turf only much coarser. We've got a lot of mud up here in the pacific northwest and this type of mat will really dig the mud out of the treads on your shoes....Anyway, the doods HATE to stand on it. It's also the only thing I've found they won't chew on. It slows them down a little at the door so they don't keep their momentum going. You might try something like that on the back of the chair for a while. And it makes a lovely design statement for your interior!

I checked out your blog and I love your Dear Store Manager letters. I'm going to send the link to my husband. He's "Mister Customer Service." He used to be a shop owner and can't believe how bad service has become since he retired. He might have some stories to send you.
 

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We were talking again about the window issue last night, because it does feel like 'just a matter of time' and we've paid enough vet bills to last a lifetime!

We have a friend who does carpentry and thinks she may be able to fit toughend glass into the bottom of the sash window which should solve it. It's winter right now so not sure when she'll be able to do it. We need a bungee rope in front of the window that flings her back just before she lands :lol:

We think Bella's cute too but then we are biast. We loved having Madge to stay even though they were on the go non stop, it's nice to see Bella have the energy.

I'm impressed you managed to find my blog, :D glad that you enjoyed it. The dear store manager is a new one I created last week, my regular one is the Stand up With Jamie one. I'd love to see the new blog take off and see some responses to the letters, so please go ahead and pass the link around.

Not sure those mats would suit our sofa lol, glad they are having some effect though. Lets hope they all learn to slow down a little in time. :roll:

Maybe they get better with age, let us know how you get on. I'd love to get a choc lab but Heathers not keen on the colour, besides most choc lab we know are all daft.

Jamie
 
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