F1, F1b, F2 Multigen Confused - Please Help

Hi Debby glad you found us to and welcome to the forum.

I'll take a try at expain this to you:

An F1 is 50% Lab and 50% Poodle doesn't matter which is mom or dad. Chances of dander and shedding is greater although I've seen a lot of them that don't or if they do it is very little. The coats will vary from dog to dog we as breeders like to say it's like a roll of the dice you never know what you will get with an F1. The only thing we no for sure is they are very loving and smart.

An F1B is an F1 bred back to a non related Poodle this makes them 75% Poodle and 25% Lab coats are a little more consistant my first litter was half curly and the others were just wavy and fleecy feeling but still really nice coats. You have a better chance of lower or no dander and shedding with the F1B. Some people will also call these F2's depends on the breeder. Alot of the F1B's will have more curl just because of the Poodle.

You will hear different defintions of what a Multi Gen is but as long as one of the parents is say a ALF5 that's an example and it's bred back to a F1B or even a Poodle the puppies will be Mulit Gens. Now with that said you will find some breeders that will guarantee no shedding or no dander I will not do that at least not at this point of my program Guarantee is a strong word to use. I hope this helps some and I'm sure others will give some advice so you just have to take all the info and do what is right for your family. My web site is www.4pawspuppies.com if you want to see an ALF3 he is on my adult page and males page. I would look at different sites and see the differences in the dogs. Some people say The Multi Gens are consistent but if you really look you will see differences in looks and coats. :wink:

Just to add to Lindas excellent explanation:

The multigens are exactly what they sound like, multiple generations of labradoodles bred to other non-related Multis. These dogs started being bred in Australia in the 1970s and many of them have a couple of other breeds in the mix as well, although they are usually MOSTLY lab and poodle (anyone remember the other breeds? I cant find it). The two major lines out of Australia are Rulant Manor and Tegan Park.

The breeders of the multis will breed back to a poddle when they want to "correct" a coat that is no longer very curly. The poodle hair is curly and non-shedding so usually the curlier the coat, the less shedding... although this rule DEFINITELY does not always hold true. There are some out there that are flat and dont shed and some that are curly and do! Some think that the "finer" coat will shed less, despite the curliness.

This site might help also: http://www.rutlandmanor.com/Site/CoatsAndColors.aspx

If you are really worried about shedding and asthma/allergies I would recommend an F1b or a multigen.

Hope that helps!

Hi and welcome to the forum. You will probably find like many of that this forum becomes an addition, and there will be less and less time for bills!! Just wanted to add that there are different type of dog allergies and some dogs will work for some and others not. Many people can get away with an F1 but some do better with an F1b or multigen. If I had allergies I would go with an F1b or Multigen. There is a price range within these groups. Also to mention that there are different sizes of the labradoodles (some use minature poodles to acheive this smaller size, some australian multigens have been being breed for years to achieve the smaller size). Just to mention that Goldendoodles also make wonderful pets.

I have a friend who currently has F1b puppys available that I would highly recommend. There are also many respectable breeders who chat on this web site that will gladly help you match you up to your ideal dog! If you would like the contact info I have in mind please email me directly... [email protected]

This breed of dog is only 17 years old since the very first breeding took place at the end of 1988 and the puppies were on the ground in 1989 there is still a great deal of differing opinions.

The best thing for you to do is visit with the breeder you choose and experience her puppies personally. A great place to start your search is the Premium Breeder's site at www.goldendoodle-labradoodle.org and choose someone whom has proven their integrity as a breeder to the world through very extensive testing. There are even catagories on that site for those that have intentions of complying some day and those that are in compliance. I would recommend going with one of the ones in full compliance and have completed the testing on their dogs with puppies. There are those in compliance in many states and Canada--I didn't notice where you were.

In my litters of puppies we have experienced very little shedding, but the one that did was very curly as an adult. For example,
many multi-gens look more labby and have straighter coats than some F1's, F1b's... Each litter in these founding years will continue to be a surprise coat-wise until we have a deeply established multi-genertational breeding stock which may not be likely to occur in our lifetime. It takes many generations to establish the desired standard in a new breed of dog.

Someone wanted to know the ILA/LAA approved breeds (although they must be preapproved through application including extensive testing results) include: 1) Labrador Retriever, 2) Poodle--all sizes, 3) English Cocker, 4) American Cocker, and 5) Curly-Coated Retriever.

Good luck in your search for a wonderful companion dog! Labradoodles are at the top of the chart as far as I am concerned.