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Does anyone have any experience with Entropion in their dog? The vet diagnosed Max with severe entropion bilaterally, with some corneal irritation. He referred us to an opthamologist, and said the only way to correct it is through surgery. The lower eyelid rolls inward, irritating and eventually abrading the cornea. The surgery involves removing a portion of the lower eyelid, but is risky. We see the opthamologist on Thursday, and I'd like to be prepared with as many of the right questions as possible! Any info/guidance/suggestions would be much appreciated!
 

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I would have to look it up, but I am almost certain our dane had that. we had the surgery and it worked for awhile but then the eyelids went back. he never really seemed bothered by it and the surgery was a little pricey even with insurance.

I would ask what the percentage of reoccurance is.
and as usual get a few extra opinions!

hmmmm I just googled it and it says reoccurance is slight so maybe we were just "lucky"
it also says its probably genetic I would contact you breeder and is states dogs with it should not be bred. it sounds likely the parents had it.

you know I dont remember it being a risky surgery - seems to me it was common in droopy eyed dogs and basically our vey just kinda stitched up the droop so they didnt turn in.

anyway back to the I would ask a few more vets and specialists first!
 

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Judy,

Movistar said it all.....you need way more info.....I would definitely call the breeder if you can.....seems this ought to fall under a health guarantee, especially if it is genetic.

If surgery can be avoided.....I would avoid it. I don't know. Tough decisions to make....ask around some more.....check back here and see if anyone else responds....

"Good Luck!"
Jane
 

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Judy, I am sorry...here is a page from UC Davis School of Vet Med, one of the best in the nation, concerning eyes. I think you will find the informaiton very helpful. http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/courses/v ... ter_9.html
Please contact your breeder. I don't know if this is a genetic disease that would be covered in your contract or not, but it should be. Even though it is not "life threatening" and it can be corrected, if it is genetic, it is serious (because of the great expense to correct) and a good breeder will help you cover expenses, up to the price of the dog...depending on your contract. (Some would, even if it is not in the contract.)
My contract is for "serious genetic disease" and I consider something this expensive to be serious...to me, serious does not have to be life threatening...but some breeders require that as a criteria. So, check with your breeder about that.
Either way, if this IS genetic (ask your vet and get written verification) then your breeder needs to know so that they don't breed this pair again...and they need to make decisions as to whether or not to keep them as breeding dogs at all...it is a huge decision, based on a lot of factors, but they need to know so that they can begin the evaluations.
Best wishes to you.
 

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Well, I just read the site, pretty techninal and I don't know if it will answer your questions...BUT I did get a sense that problems like this can be caused by injury to the eye, in which case the breeder will have nothing to do with the cause.
Ask your vet a lot of questions. If they say that this is an heriditary condition, ask if they will write that in a report for you to present to your breeder.
Your breeder may require a second, even third opinion before paying...but if this is herditary, it should be followed up on.
 

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Thanks, everyone, for the links and information.

I spoke to the breeder I bought Max from today, and thought she was going to do the 'right thing.' She insists she didn't know about the problem (not possible - it's severe, there's already irritation to the cornea, and even I knew something was wrong, and I've never had a puppy before), but offered to split the cost of the surgery with me...up to a point. Then she reneged, tonight - sent an email saying she'd refund his purchase price and take him back, but didn't feel 'morally or ethically responsible' to do anything else. I'm really disappointed - thought she was reputable, and can't fathom anything remotely ethical or moral in that decision. If I were to send him back she'd either have to invest the full amount in the surgery - on top of my refund - or let him suffer. Or put him down.

Very anxious for the opthalmologist appointment next Thursday. Will post his recommendations... Thanks again!
 

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Judy,
I am truly sorry. I do hope that the breeder won't breed the parents again (to each other)...but you have done what you can do.
Check your contract, see if there is a provision that directs you in this and hope that your breeder has another change of heart when she has time to think it over.
In my opinion, for what its worth, the breeder would get much more value by refunding the cost of the surgery... due to the value of good customer relations as advertising. Nothing makes a business more popular than a happy customer...the opposite is also true.
We spend lots of money advertising our litters, and something like this (as hard as it is, and it really is a very tough thing for a breeder) can be a real set back...yet it can also be as valuable as thousands of dollars in advertising or as damaging as stagnant marketing.
I can't judge your breeder...wouldn't even if I thought I had all of the info because there is too much that I may not know...but the breeder has to live with the consequences. I hope she will do the right thing for the puppy, for her business and for her customer.
 

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thats ridiculous. your breeder is obviously not being very reputable.
there should be a place to post about these breeders that are like this. we strive as breeder to be so reputable for the good of promoting a healthy breed. Everything we do is for the dog and when people like this pull stuff like this it turns it into a money thing and it makes me mad. Done venting for now.

Ok so we arent sure its genetic yet though my additional reading seems to think it may be. Just take some deep breaths and give your puppy LOTS of kisses and get to the appt with the doggy eye dr! And maybe a 2nd one if needed and see what they think. Have them WRITE down their opinion and then try contacting the breeder again. Perhaps "if" the dr. thinks its genetic she the breeder will have had enough time to think about doing the right thing.

Plus if she is not reputable and it is just a money thing for her she probably is going to breed those two again. Future buyers should know about this.
 

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Judy, I have sent you a private message...just log in and at the top click on the message that says you have a private messages.
 

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I have sent you a second message and it hasn't shown up either...does anyone know why or if it takes a while?
 
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