Couple of questions

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Kevin

Discussion Starter · Dec 3, 2007

Looking for mini-labradoodle pup and have a couple of questions about processes by which these dogs are typically bred.

1. Any advantages/disadvantages/problems with a puppy bred through artificial insemination, rather than traditional mating of male and female parent dogs?

2. Anything to recommend or argue against breeding of a regular, full-sized labradoodle mother to toy (rather than miniature) poodle father?

Thanks for any input you all can provide.

Kevin

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Maureen

· #3 · Dec 3, 2007

1. Any advantages/disadvantages/problems with a puppy bred through artificial insemination, rather than traditional mating of male and female parent dogs?

hi Kevin,
I have tried to breed a Miniature (12") Poodle to my 18" Labradoodle for a smaller F1b Labradoodle. The first time the semen wasn't shipped properly, thanks to US Customs, from another breeder, and the second time it didn't take between my own Mini and Doodle.

I have never read of, nor have I heard of any adverse results to the PUPPIES from an Artificial Insemination, altho for the breeder there is a risk of the AI process not being succesful, as well as costly with no results. That seems to be an (understandable) factor in the higher cost of the Miniature Labradoodles.

2. Anything to recommend or argue against breeding of a regular, full-sized labradoodle mother to toy (rather than miniature) poodle father?

My experience and limited observation is that the more diverse the size difference, the more liklihood of proportional issues on the Puppies. That might not be the case for all breeders or dogs, but that is my concern, and why I have chosen a fairly small standard Doodle to breed with an average Miniature. If I could have found a 14" Miniature I would have used him, or purchased him!

I hope this helps

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Maureen

· #5 · Dec 3, 2007

Kristen, just to clarify, the AKC has 3 sizes of poodles and I think this is the size/height standards:
Toy = 10" or less
Miniature = taller than 10" but not more than 15"
Standard = Taller than 15"

"Moyen" is a size or 4th standard recognized in Europe. It is somewhere between Miniature and Standard.

Jacque has 2 Moyen Poodles, bred with Std. and Mini parents, so perhaps she knows more about this.

Hope this helps!

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Maureen

· #10 · Dec 4, 2007

thanks for giving more details, Kevin.

I do know there are caring Doodle breeders who use Toy Poodles with Labs or Labradoodles, but none of the ones I am thinking of post on this forum regularly. However, if I wanted one of their dogs I guess I would want to see PREVIOUS, hopefully mature puppies, to allay my concerns.

Your second point is far more difficult to predict: size classifying with Labradoodles. I try to educate everyone who asks me because the way Labs and Poodles are graded, or sized is as different as their coats!

There are other current threads on this forum about Standards and this really relates. Labs are typically described or classified by WEIGHT. Poodles are classified by HEIGHT at the withers, and with a Lab component in the hybrid with an otherwise-lighter, taller breed, how does a breeder predict weight? I have never found an answer to this. Is a 45lb dog a medium sized dog? What if it is 24" tall, because its frame totally resembles a Poodle in its musculature? So when people approach me using pounds as a measurement I try to bring them around to seeing that height is a serious criterion for size that should not be overlooked.

I have had a miniature Labradoodle, who I wanted to use for breeding, and she is 16" tall, I believe. I have no idea what she weighs. But she just looks like a mini, and did come from a miniature poodle sire.

I don't mean to be arugmentative or picky but I hope this info is helpful as you consider adjusting your measurements or expectations to height, or at least keep height in mind.

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