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Can someone explain "silvering?"

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Archie is black but has some random white hairs on his back. He's 7 months old. Is this silvering? Mom was a black lab and dad was an apricot colored poodle.
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oy! I'll jump in here....Our first litter of labradoodles had some of the "silvering" puppies in it so I started watching for it a while ago. And we have a "blue" poodle so I've had occasion to learn about that a bit....altho ANY of the participating breeders could add in here too, since at least 3 of them have silver, blue or black/silver doodles. :)

There are the basic color genes and then there is a "d" or DILUTE gene that turns the black color gray, with the presence of a lot of white hairs, or there is the true silver color in poodles as well. That same dilute gene's presence will turn a brown, or chocolate dog to the cafe aulait, or silver-beige color as well.

Here, we have a black (f1) doodle that has a lot of long white fringy hair in her face and on her back, but I would really describe her as "salt and pepper" in layman's terms. She came from a blue poodle, so obviously she carries that dilute gene. We have a blue poodle who is truly a slate-gray color because of the evenness of the white in her coat. And we have a black poodle with a relatively few random white hairs in her coat. Poodle people seem to be more careful or specific about the description of their dog's coloring than doodle people, and of course AKC wants a color given at registration. And that's the tricky part, because the black poodle puppies that are going to turn "blue" don't typically really get there until adulthood, long after registration has been filed. My blue poodle, for example was registered as black, but she is not black.

Maybe I should have just said YES to your question :wink: but if your puppy was going to be a true silver I think you would've seen the color changing before 7mos, yet "silvering" is certainly descriptive and helpful when a black dog seems to be shifting in his color. I have silver and gray puppies in my gallery I believe, if you want examples. I'm sorry I don't know how to post them right here inside this post.

I hope this helps if you haven't glazed over by now! :shock:
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Hi, this is a tough thing to understand, and many experts even have different opinions.
If I understand correctly, Blue dogs are very rare...they begin as black, with dark pigmentation, almost a blue coloring, then they lighten to silvering in specific areas.
Silver color is more common and usually results in a lighter color.
I always thought that my dogs were blue, but I have been told that they are silver. (Still I am not certain!) This person, who is very wise... :wink: ...told me that, so far, Labs don't carry the dilute gene necessary for blue if we have silvering, it is a silver dog (I guess that silver is caused by a different genetic structure than blue)...but she is conducting a study and is looking into this because so many of us claim to have blue Labradoodles.
It takes up to 3 years for the complete cycle, I believe.
There are some good sites for info, here is one:
I speak only from my own experience here when I say that a black poodle can turn the most lovely silver color one can imagine.

The way I can tell if a puppy will turn from black to silver is by looking at the hairs between the pads of his feet. If they are white, then you will most likely have a silver adult. The coloring change can take from one to three years. This also holds true with labradoodles and poodles.

In a yorkie, I can tell earlier if I will have a silver or blue baby by peeling back the fur to the skin. At 3 months or even sooner in some cases, the rootbase already starts changing to the adult color.

To get a blue dog, the dog must carry the dilute gene and be bred to another dog that is also a carrier of the dilute gene. This is can be seen in several breeds like dachshunds, aussies, australian cattle dogs and more. I have never personally seen a blue Doodle on any of these posts or elsewhwere, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
This is all great information. I will check Archie's feet later tonight!
I'm new to all of this as you all know :oops: My Frenchie's mom is a black doodle who's parents were a blue poodle and a black lab. She has a white patch on her chest; sparse white hairs around her nose and chin as well as white between her paw pads and the cutest white fur tufts on her back paws. The latter is why we call her Frenchie, she has a 'french manicure'. Will she likely be a "silver" doodle? Sure wish I knew how to shrink the pics before posting...sorry!

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Judging from the coloring in this pix and the feet :wink: I'd say Frenchie will be silver! (You are lucky...I think silver is gorgeous!)
Silver is one of my very favorite colors! How old is Frenchie again?
hey, angela, I feel your pain on photo uploading! I'm clueless how to do it in the posts. But I LOVE silvers and I think that as some of our babies grow up they're going to be really just takes a while to see the color change. Check out my gallery...we've had several puppies in the past year that seem to be silvering... see if this link saves a step. If not, do a search in the gallery for MAUREEN but here's the link, I think!
Frenchie is a mere 8wks old in that picture. She is just the cutest thing and whetjer she remains jet black or turns shiny silver...we love her cute, curly coat!
Okay, now I have a question. It's time to mail in Frenchie and Fiona's papers for registration. What color should I put for Frenchie? Just plain ol' black? Or maybe blue as Jac described in another posting?
Any advice would be appreciated!
I think I would register her as silver.
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